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		<title>By: About TheFind.com, Shopping Search Reinvented &#124; eCommerce Optmization</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[About TheFind.com, Shopping Search Reinvented &#124; eCommerce Optmization]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] TheFind Beta Launches (Comparison Engines) October 19, 2006 [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: djc</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TheFind.com is not a price comparisson site, but a shopping search engine. Taking datafeeds and charging CPCs from larger merchants is fine for electronics, computers, etc. But for hard to find items, apparel, and home goods, there are many specialty retailers that do not list on shopping.com et al. By including these stores, thefind, shopwiki, and the other crawler engines create a more comprehensive shopping experience. Don&#039;t bucket them in with the &quot;big&quot; guys - they are a different animal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheFind.com is not a price comparisson site, but a shopping search engine. Taking datafeeds and charging CPCs from larger merchants is fine for electronics, computers, etc. But for hard to find items, apparel, and home goods, there are many specialty retailers that do not list on shopping.com et al. By including these stores, thefind, shopwiki, and the other crawler engines create a more comprehensive shopping experience. Don&#8217;t bucket them in with the &#8220;big&#8221; guys &#8211; they are a different animal.</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyMiser</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyMiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maze designer I meant to reply to you earlier. When I was talking about CPC models as a quality indicator, I was speaking generally. It&#039;s not that comprehensiveness is the issue - it&#039;s the fact that there are not 150,000,000 different products that can be effectively comparison shopped on. Rare products (such as collectibles, antiques etc) by definition cannot be comparison shopped up like a new dvd player. Comparison shopping works effectively on goods that are already commodities. People point out that the long tale will benefit smaller suppliers in the market when it will have the opposite effect. Only the larger suppliers will be able to carry the breadth of inventory to supply the long tale. The long tale far benefits suppliers able to achieve economies of scale.

My point about comprehensiveness is this - for goods you will want to comparison shop on - vendors comfortable with the CPC model are more than likely going to be high quality vendors. The idea that out there somewhere is a retailer you have NEVER heard of who is increasingly unlikely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maze designer I meant to reply to you earlier. When I was talking about CPC models as a quality indicator, I was speaking generally. It&#8217;s not that comprehensiveness is the issue &#8211; it&#8217;s the fact that there are not 150,000,000 different products that can be effectively comparison shopped on. Rare products (such as collectibles, antiques etc) by definition cannot be comparison shopped up like a new dvd player. Comparison shopping works effectively on goods that are already commodities. People point out that the long tale will benefit smaller suppliers in the market when it will have the opposite effect. Only the larger suppliers will be able to carry the breadth of inventory to supply the long tale. The long tale far benefits suppliers able to achieve economies of scale.</p>
<p>My point about comprehensiveness is this &#8211; for goods you will want to comparison shop on &#8211; vendors comfortable with the CPC model are more than likely going to be high quality vendors. The idea that out there somewhere is a retailer you have NEVER heard of who is increasingly unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyMiser</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyMiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please note - I am not including the $44 million in VC that eOpinions recieved in the total. Let&#039;s call their first round of funding $5 million - that puts us at a total of $75 million in  known funding. Add in eOpinions and now we are at $119 Million so the $135 Million dollar figure doesn&#039;t seem so implausible now. Still I suspect I conflated the two and my apologies for the confusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please note &#8211; I am not including the $44 million in VC that eOpinions recieved in the total. Let&#8217;s call their first round of funding $5 million &#8211; that puts us at a total of $75 million in  known funding. Add in eOpinions and now we are at $119 Million so the $135 Million dollar figure doesn&#8217;t seem so implausible now. Still I suspect I conflated the two and my apologies for the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyMiser</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyMiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After much searching I suspect I got the figure for their funding wrong. It&#039;s certainly between 80 - 110 million but the 135 million dollar figure is also the amount of venture capital that boo.com got. Part of the problem is that the first round was by a set of Israeli VCs so the figures are harder to come by. I will keep plugging away though]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After much searching I suspect I got the figure for their funding wrong. It&#8217;s certainly between 80 &#8211; 110 million but the 135 million dollar figure is also the amount of venture capital that boo.com got. Part of the problem is that the first round was by a set of Israeli VCs so the figures are harder to come by. I will keep plugging away though</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyMiser</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyMiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a company profile from 7 years ago.

http://www.vault.com/jobs-company/Shopping.com.html
Founded by two Israeli high-tech entrepreneurs in December 1997, Shopping.com, formerly DealTime.com, went live with its online shopping comparison service in June 1999, backed by venture capital funding from firms like Israel Seed Partners and Odeon Capital Partners, as well as by strategic and financial partners including AOL, Time Warner and Bank of America. The site uses an automated shopping &quot;bot&quot; to comb hundreds of web sites -- including online merchants, auctions, classifieds and group buying sites -- to find the lowest prices on thousands of items.

As you can see the shopping bot was an integral part of the company.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a company profile from 7 years ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vault.com/jobs-company/Shopping.com.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vault.com/jobs-company/Shopping.com.html</a><br />
Founded by two Israeli high-tech entrepreneurs in December 1997, Shopping.com, formerly DealTime.com, went live with its online shopping comparison service in June 1999, backed by venture capital funding from firms like Israel Seed Partners and Odeon Capital Partners, as well as by strategic and financial partners including AOL, Time Warner and Bank of America. The site uses an automated shopping &#8220;bot&#8221; to comb hundreds of web sites &#8212; including online merchants, auctions, classifieds and group buying sites &#8212; to find the lowest prices on thousands of items.</p>
<p>As you can see the shopping bot was an integral part of the company.</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyMiser</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyMiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sorry that you can &quot;assure me&quot; that shopping.com didn&#039;t raise $135 million over various rounds  of venture capital. I can assure you they did and they lost buckets of money on marketing.

In 2001 alone they spent something 70 million in marketing. I assume you currently work at shopping.com or at least you imply it.  Remember Shopping.com started as  Dealtime. Their third round of funding in 2000 was $50 Million.  This implies of course two previous smaller rounds of funding.

Their second round of funding was $20 Million in 1999.

Second Round
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CGN/is_3748/ai_55770999

Third Round
http://news.com.com/Short+Take+DealTime+raise+50+million/2110-1017_3-236968.html

So just by trolling  two of their rounds totaling $70 million. I am still looking for their initial round and I know they had a fourth round.

I like shopping.com I have been a partner with them for a while now.  When I find the other rounds I will post them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry that you can &#8220;assure me&#8221; that shopping.com didn&#8217;t raise $135 million over various rounds  of venture capital. I can assure you they did and they lost buckets of money on marketing.</p>
<p>In 2001 alone they spent something 70 million in marketing. I assume you currently work at shopping.com or at least you imply it.  Remember Shopping.com started as  Dealtime. Their third round of funding in 2000 was $50 Million.  This implies of course two previous smaller rounds of funding.</p>
<p>Their second round of funding was $20 Million in 1999.</p>
<p>Second Round<br />
<a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CGN/is_3748/ai_55770999" rel="nofollow">http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CGN/is_3748/ai_55770999</a></p>
<p>Third Round<br />
<a href="http://news.com.com/Short+Take+DealTime+raise+50+million/2110-1017_3-236968.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.com.com/Short+Take+DealTime+raise+50+million/2110-1017_3-236968.html</a></p>
<p>So just by trolling  two of their rounds totaling $70 million. I am still looking for their initial round and I know they had a fourth round.</p>
<p>I like shopping.com I have been a partner with them for a while now.  When I find the other rounds I will post them.</p>
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		<title>By: Shoppingguy</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shoppingguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well, in response to EarlyMiser&#039;s comments about Shopping.com, I just want to clarify a few things about Shopping.com;

1. That company never had as its core business practice crawling websites. It would crawl stores that had no feeds, but it never encouraged it.

2. It never raised $135 million. That I can assure you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, in response to EarlyMiser&#8217;s comments about Shopping.com, I just want to clarify a few things about Shopping.com;</p>
<p>1. That company never had as its core business practice crawling websites. It would crawl stores that had no feeds, but it never encouraged it.</p>
<p>2. It never raised $135 million. That I can assure you.</p>
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		<title>By: New York</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[New York]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally irresponsible / uninformed journalism.

First of all, its simply impossible that there are 500,000 retail stores that offer prices in US $s on the internet. The upper bound is something  50 stores.

Second of all, their &quot;grid&quot; is the anti-definition of consumer friendly. Part of the reason to conduct a comprehensive search is to understand pricing / vendor trade-offs in a logical fashion. Their grid doesnt sort by price, and somehow incorporates no-name merchants such as &quot;smalldog&quot; in its top set of results (even though they are relatively expensive). Its totally unclear how the information is ordered / presented.

Finally (and only because Im not interested enough to debunk the rest of this junk coverage) - because I could rant and rave all day long about how searching by things like color is the most rediculous &quot;feature&quot; ever:

&quot;So take a lookâ€¦the problems you find will be addressed.&quot;

Ha, yeah right. Extraction at scale and automated normalization are two of the hardest problems being addressed on the internet. They wont just be addressed - it doesnt work that way in real life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally irresponsible / uninformed journalism.</p>
<p>First of all, its simply impossible that there are 500,000 retail stores that offer prices in US $s on the internet. The upper bound is something  50 stores.</p>
<p>Second of all, their &#8220;grid&#8221; is the anti-definition of consumer friendly. Part of the reason to conduct a comprehensive search is to understand pricing / vendor trade-offs in a logical fashion. Their grid doesnt sort by price, and somehow incorporates no-name merchants such as &#8220;smalldog&#8221; in its top set of results (even though they are relatively expensive). Its totally unclear how the information is ordered / presented.</p>
<p>Finally (and only because Im not interested enough to debunk the rest of this junk coverage) &#8211; because I could rant and rave all day long about how searching by things like color is the most rediculous &#8220;feature&#8221; ever:</p>
<p>&#8220;So take a lookâ€¦the problems you find will be addressed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha, yeah right. Extraction at scale and automated normalization are two of the hardest problems being addressed on the internet. They wont just be addressed &#8211; it doesnt work that way in real life.</p>
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		<title>By: o'neill media</title>
		<link>http://comparisonengines.com/2006/10/19/thefind-beta-launches/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[o'neill media]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;TheFind.com&lt;/strong&gt;


A new comparison shopping site TheFind.com launched today as an all-encompassing shopping search site.  The Company has garnered a bit of buzz, with an interesting write-up at GigaOm and Comparison Engines.  Although I like the principle, it&#8217;s r...]]></description>
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<p>A new comparison shopping site TheFind.com launched today as an all-encompassing shopping search site.  The Company has garnered a bit of buzz, with an interesting write-up at GigaOm and Comparison Engines.  Although I like the principle, it&#8217;s r&#8230;</p>
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